Qwen 3.8

	Qwen 3.8(twitter.com)
	949 points by nh43215rgb 2 days ago \| 689 comments
	tl;dr: Alibaba is launching Qwen3.8, a 2.4T-parameter open-weight model claimed to rival leading frontier models (second only to "Fable 5"). A preview version, Qwen3.8-Max-Preview, is already accessible via Alibaba's Token Plan, Qoder, and QoderWork ahead of the full open-weight release.
	HN Discussion: ↑Chinese developer criticizes HN for focusing on politics rather than technical merits of Chinese models ↑Release is a competitive response to Moonshot's Kimi K3, benefiting open-weights ecosystem ↓Qwen models perform poorly in real-world use compared to DeepSeek, doubting the hype ↑Excitement for local use, hoping smaller distilled versions will be released ↓Skepticism about Qwen due to heavy censorship and mediocre benchmarks versus competitors